Comments on: ETHNIC WHAT? http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/ Thu, 18 Mar 2010 15:47:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: Onward and upward « Hawaiian Shirt, MuuMuu, Dashiki and More http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-3044 Onward and upward « Hawaiian Shirt, MuuMuu, Dashiki and More Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:17:49 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-3044 [...] good rant on ethnicity as applies to an average-ish [...] [...] good rant on ethnicity as applies to an average-ish [...]

]]> By: Ethnic Apparel http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-3043 Ethnic Apparel Thu, 11 Mar 2010 15:13:05 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-3043 Natalie, Well put. Thank you! We must learn to not fear what you cannot control. Globalization will not diminish the cultural identity of any person, nation or group; rather it will raise awareness of that cultural identity. Natalie,
Well put. Thank you!
We must learn to not fear what you cannot control. Globalization will not diminish the cultural identity of any person, nation or group; rather it will raise awareness of that cultural identity.

]]> By: Natalie http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-2536 Natalie Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:55:03 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-2536 Thanks Sylvia! Thanks Sylvia!

]]> By: Top 10 Cigars http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-2535 Top 10 Cigars Thu, 21 Jan 2010 23:45:24 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-2535 I hate that stereotype.. it was so frustrating to me to be wearing something because I thought it was beautiful and to get stuck in a category I didn't belong in. Kudos to you for speaking up. -Sylvia I hate that stereotype.. it was so frustrating to me to be wearing something because I thought it was beautiful and to get stuck in a category I didn’t belong in. Kudos to you for speaking up.
-Sylvia

]]> By: Fashion INTEL http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-1257 Fashion INTEL Sat, 08 Aug 2009 22:28:44 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-1257 I really enjoy your comments! I do hope you continue leaving them on Fashion Intel. These insights about the "Roman Nose" are quite interesting and I'm going to see what kind of literature I can find on that. Thanks for sharing from the UK as I love to hear the perspectives from all over the world. I really enjoy your comments! I do hope you continue leaving them on Fashion Intel. These insights about the “Roman Nose” are quite interesting and I’m going to see what kind of literature I can find on that. Thanks for sharing from the UK as I love to hear the perspectives from all over the world.

]]> By: savedforbest http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-1256 savedforbest Fri, 07 Aug 2009 19:45:19 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-1256 I'm still loitering and scanning through. This is a really interesting post. In the UK, we tend to not use 'ethnic' unless referring to an 'ethnic minority' living in Britain, it's certainly not used for anyone outside these islands. Lady Gaga has what we would call a 'Roman nose' and seeing as the Romans built most of our infrastructure and brought with them most of our food and post-Celt culture, that is considered a fine feature to have. Why her nose is in anyway relevant to her music is another matter entirely. x I’m still loitering and scanning through. This is a really interesting post. In the UK, we tend to not use ‘ethnic’ unless referring to an ‘ethnic minority’ living in Britain, it’s certainly not used for anyone outside these islands. Lady Gaga has what we would call a ‘Roman nose’ and seeing as the Romans built most of our infrastructure and brought with them most of our food and post-Celt culture, that is considered a fine feature to have. Why her nose is in anyway relevant to her music is another matter entirely.

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]]> By: Fashion INTEL http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-1255 Fashion INTEL Sat, 18 Jul 2009 07:41:39 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-1255 Dear Judy, Thanks for reading Fashion Intel! I am always so happy to meet others who share a love for intellectual thought + fashion. I know what you mean when you say that some activists see fashion as superficial as I've experienced that myself. What I've discovered though is that truly positive people [who want to make a difference] can still appreciate your interest in fashion. It is the downers who will judge you! Forget them. Fashion is an art form and I think more people should approach it as such. Also, you are completely on point with your "ethnic" and "tribal" comments. I am curious what you are interested in studying or pursuing in the future. I also recommend you the blog Thread Bared, which I've linked on Fashion Intel. Mimi the author is amazing. You'll love her work! Dear Judy,

Thanks for reading Fashion Intel! I am always so happy to meet others who share a love for intellectual thought + fashion. I know what you mean when you say that some activists see fashion as superficial as I’ve experienced that myself. What I’ve discovered though is that truly positive people [who want to make a difference] can still appreciate your interest in fashion. It is the downers who will judge you! Forget them. Fashion is an art form and I think more people should approach it as such.

Also, you are completely on point with your “ethnic” and “tribal” comments. I am curious what you are interested in studying or pursuing in the future. I also recommend you the blog Thread Bared, which I’ve linked on Fashion Intel. Mimi the author is amazing. You’ll love her work!

]]> By: JJ http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-1254 JJ Tue, 07 Jul 2009 00:24:52 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-1254 hey! this is the first time I've been to your blog and this post struck me. As a socially aware student, part of a humanities, liberal arts program, and at the same time a fashion obsessed teenager, I wanted to thank you for addressing this topic. I struggle sometimes at my strong interest in what some activists see as superficial, materialistic and I just appreciate the fact that you seem to be another individual with similar interests. Regarding the use to "ethnic" and "tribal" to describe those that do not fit into the prescribed standard of beauty (the white standard) , I agree with your opinion. Using these terms makes a race exotic, and type-casting models of color in the fashion industry has always bothered me. hey! this is the first time I’ve been to your blog and this post struck me. As a socially aware student, part of a humanities, liberal arts program, and at the same time a fashion obsessed teenager, I wanted to thank you for addressing this topic. I struggle sometimes at my strong interest in what some activists see as superficial, materialistic and I just appreciate the fact that you seem to be another individual with similar interests.

Regarding the use to “ethnic” and “tribal” to describe those that do not fit into the prescribed standard of beauty (the white standard) , I agree with your opinion. Using these terms makes a race exotic, and type-casting models of color in the fashion industry has always bothered me.

]]> By: Mimi http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-1253 Mimi Sun, 28 Jun 2009 03:23:13 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-1253 Yes, just send me your address, and I'll send you my course pack once I get them made. :) Yes, just send me your address, and I’ll send you my course pack once I get them made. :)

]]> By: mauisun http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-1252 mauisun Fri, 26 Jun 2009 21:38:01 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-1252 Do not ghettoize society by putting people into legal categories of gender, race, ethnicity, language, or other such characteristics. Preston Manning Do not ghettoize society by putting people into legal categories of gender, race, ethnicity, language, or other such characteristics.
Preston Manning

]]> By: Fashion INTEL http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-1251 Fashion INTEL Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:52:24 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-1251 "Stereotypically" is the operative word. Do you see a problem yet? “Stereotypically” is the operative word. Do you see a problem yet?

]]> By: Fashion INTEL http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-1250 Fashion INTEL Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:51:07 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-1250 Thanks for the comment Natalie, as I always enjoy it when you leave me a response. Long "rants" are always welcomed here. Disagree with you? Yes. When it comes down to it, our conversations on race, gender, political issues, etc. always end with you saying that there's nothing we can do about society's problems and that we're pretty much fucked. <strong>I do not subscribe to fatalism</strong>. In addition, you are coming from the standpoint of someone who has never dealt with the conflicts of racial identity and I find that pertinent to address. P.S. I don't feel cheapened by broadcasting my every move as there is plenty of myself that is still secret to the world. Actually, I am waiting for my own reality tv show so I can finally let all my deviance out onto 10 million tvs a night. Anyone interested? I wouldn't have a blog or a facebook page it I wasn't trying to actually express something relevant and make some connections. I'm not self-conscious about the web and I'm not the type of personality who comprises their staunch character. These are not the kinds of things I don't lose sleep over. Thanks for the comment Natalie, as I always enjoy it when you leave me a response. Long “rants” are always welcomed here. Disagree with you? Yes. When it comes down to it, our conversations on race, gender, political issues, etc. always end with you saying that there’s nothing we can do about society’s problems and that we’re pretty much fucked. I do not subscribe to fatalism. In addition, you are coming from the standpoint of someone who has never dealt with the conflicts of racial identity and I find that pertinent to address.

P.S. I don’t feel cheapened by broadcasting my every move as there is plenty of myself that is still secret to the world. Actually, I am waiting for my own reality tv show so I can finally let all my deviance out onto 10 million tvs a night. Anyone interested? I wouldn’t have a blog or a facebook page it I wasn’t trying to actually express something relevant and make some connections. I’m not self-conscious about the web and I’m not the type of personality who comprises their staunch character. These are not the kinds of things I don’t lose sleep over.

]]> By: Fashion INTEL http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-1249 Fashion INTEL Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:34:01 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-1249 Hello Mimi. First off, I would love a copy of your reader! Can I tell you how much I loved readers at UCLA because they always encompassed such a plethora of diverse and amazing ideas. Should I just email you my address? Let me know because now I am super excited. It is a topic that warrants serious attention so I do appreciate your comments and look forward to hearing from you again. Hello Mimi. First off, I would love a copy of your reader! Can I tell you how much I loved readers at UCLA because they always encompassed such a plethora of diverse and amazing ideas. Should I just email you my address? Let me know because now I am super excited. It is a topic that warrants serious attention so I do appreciate your comments and look forward to hearing from you again.

]]> By: it's simple http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-1248 it's simple Fri, 26 Jun 2009 03:23:30 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-1248 Rolling Stone meant the kind of nose that looks -- stereotypically, at least -- Italian or Jewish. In Gaga's case, Italian. Rolling Stone meant the kind of nose that looks — stereotypically, at least — Italian or Jewish. In Gaga’s case, Italian.

]]> By: Natalie http://fashionintel.com/2009/06/25/ethnic-what/#comment-1247 Natalie Thu, 25 Jun 2009 23:55:20 +0000 http://fashionintelligentsia.wordpress.com/?p=2386#comment-1247 I see your point and I definitely think that it is down right silly to call Lady Gaga's, or anyone else's for that matter, nose "ethnic," but I do think that there are certain things we have to accept about a globalized culture and one of these is the exchange of cultural identities or identifying features. By that I mean, I'm not so sure there's anything wrong with using motifs which traditionally belong to non Western or Anglo cultures in Western fashion or any other commercial realm. Of course it feels like a bastardization of what these motifs truly represent, but this applies to any and everything that is touched by consumerism. In a consumerist culture everything is a commodity right down to you and me. Do you not feel cheapened broadcasting your every move on networking sites like facebook, myspace, and twitter? I certainly do and I can't imagine that I'm the only one. The dilemma created by the totalization or globalization of our current culture is the very one your blog points out: how can any group, sub-culture, community, person maintain an individualized identity within the greater whole which is the globalized culture itself? There are certain things we have to accept about a world in which the networks connecting each and every community are endless and in which information can be sent in mere seconds from one side of the globe to the other. We are hyper-exposed and hyper-aware of everything that is going on, everywhere, at every moment. This coupled with the fact that it is human nature to mimic and borrow from one another, not to mention the fact that our very self identities can only be defined by way of the reflection of ourselves found in others, makes it absurd to expect that once distinct cultures will remain totally distinct in a globalized society. I agree with the quote: comsumerism does use "ethnicity" as a way to make products seem more exciting and exotic and I can see how some people might find this degrading. However, I do not necessarily think that it is degrading and I think the real issue is the dreadful feeling that the individual within a totalized society is overcome by: the feeling that everything you thought belonged to you and somehow distinguished you from other people is being taken away or erased. You are no longer an individual human being, but rather a number on a chart, a name in a computer data-base, a statistic. This is a disturbing and frightening feeling and it is one that everyone from every culture is exposed to in present times. Anyway, I guess I've gone off on a super rant. That means it was a good blog!! :) I see your point and I definitely think that it is down right silly to call Lady Gaga’s, or anyone else’s for that matter, nose “ethnic,” but I do think that there are certain things we have to accept about a globalized culture and one of these is the exchange of cultural identities or identifying features. By that I mean, I’m not so sure there’s anything wrong with using motifs which traditionally belong to non Western or Anglo cultures in Western fashion or any other commercial realm. Of course it feels like a bastardization of what these motifs truly represent, but this applies to any and everything that is touched by consumerism. In a consumerist culture everything is a commodity right down to you and me. Do you not feel cheapened broadcasting your every move on networking sites like facebook, myspace, and twitter? I certainly do and I can’t imagine that I’m the only one. The dilemma created by the totalization or globalization of our current culture is the very one your blog points out: how can any group, sub-culture, community, person maintain an individualized identity within the greater whole which is the globalized culture itself? There are certain things we have to accept about a world in which the networks connecting each and every community are endless and in which information can be sent in mere seconds from one side of the globe to the other. We are hyper-exposed and hyper-aware of everything that is going on, everywhere, at every moment. This coupled with the fact that it is human nature to mimic and borrow from one another, not to mention the fact that our very self identities can only be defined by way of the reflection of ourselves found in others, makes it absurd to expect that once distinct cultures will remain totally distinct in a globalized society. I agree with the quote: comsumerism does use “ethnicity” as a way to make products seem more exciting and exotic and I can see how some people might find this degrading. However, I do not necessarily think that it is degrading and I think the real issue is the dreadful feeling that the individual within a totalized society is overcome by: the feeling that everything you thought belonged to you and somehow distinguished you from other people is being taken away or erased. You are no longer an individual human being, but rather a number on a chart, a name in a computer data-base, a statistic. This is a disturbing and frightening feeling and it is one that everyone from every culture is exposed to in present times. Anyway, I guess I’ve gone off on a super rant. That means it was a good blog!! :)

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